Legislature(2005 - 2006)CAPITOL 106

03/08/2005 11:00 AM House EDUCATION


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11:04:05 AM Start
11:05:26 AM HB128
11:20:43 AM Overview: Alaska Native K-12 Education Indicators Study by Ak Native Policy Center
12:33:51 PM Adjourn
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+= HB 128 SCHOOLS PHYSICAL ACTIVITY TASK FORCE TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 128(EDU) Out of Committee
Overview: Alaska Native K-12 Education
Indicators Study by AK Native Policy
Center
Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
              HOUSE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON EDUCATION                                                                            
                         March 8, 2005                                                                                          
                           11:04 a.m.                                                                                           
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Mark Neuman, Chair                                                                                               
Representative Carl Gatto                                                                                                       
Representative Bob Lynn                                                                                                         
Representative Peggy Wilson                                                                                                     
Representative Les Gara                                                                                                         
Representative Woodie Salmon                                                                                                    
Representative Bill Thomas                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                              
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                              
HOUSE BILL NO. 128                                                                                                              
"An Act establishing the Alaska Schools Physical Activity Task                                                                  
Force."                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED HB 128 OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
OVERVIEW: Alaska Native K-12 Education Indicators Study by AK                                                                   
Native Policy Center                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 128                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: SCHOOLS PHYSICAL ACTIVITY TASK FORCE                                                                               
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) MCGUIRE                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LESIL MCGUIRE                                                                                                    
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified as the sponsor of HB 128.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SARAH SCANLAN, Director of Education                                                                                            
First Alaskans Institute                                                                                                        
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Presented  a   report  on   Alaska  Native                                                               
population, health, economics, and education.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
GRETA GOTO, Director                                                                                                            
Alaska Native Policy Center                                                                                                     
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Presented  a   report  on   Alaska  Native                                                               
population, health, economics, and education.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MARK   NEUMAN  called  the  House   Special  Committee  on                                                             
Education  meeting  to order  at  11:04:05  AM.   Representatives                                                             
Gara, Salmon,  Gatto, Wilson, and  Lynn were present at  the call                                                               
to order.   Representative Thomas  arrived as the meeting  was in                                                               
progress.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representatives  Reggie Joule,  John  Coghill,  and Mary  Kapsner                                                               
were also in attendance.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
HB 128-SCHOOLS PHYSICAL ACTIVITY TASK FORCE                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR NEUMAN announced that the  first order of business would be                                                               
HOUSE  BILL  NO. 128  "An  Act  establishing the  Alaska  Schools                                                               
Physical Activity Task Force."                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
11:05:26 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA introduced and  moved Amendment 1 labeled 24-                                                               
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REPRESENTATIVE GARA  said Amendment 1 clarifies  that the members                                                               
on  the Physical  Activity Task  Force  won't be  paid and  won't                                                               
receive per diem.  He said  he doesn't think anyone desires to be                                                               
paid, and it will zero out the small fiscal note.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  NEUMAN objected  to Amendment  1 for  discussion purposes.                                                               
He said he agrees with the  amendment and that legal services had                                                               
some questions about  it.  He withdrew his  objection and hearing                                                               
no others, Amendment 1 was adopted.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
11:07:14 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LESIL MCGUIRE,  Alaska  State Legislature,  said,                                                               
"All of us are aware of  the epidemic that obesity is becoming in                                                               
our country,  and the saddest  part is watching our  young people                                                               
slip into  ... a  lifestyle that  is very  difficult to  get away                                                               
from."  She  said there are medical and societal  costs.  She and                                                               
Representative Gara met with physicians  and decided it would not                                                               
be fair  to mandate  something that wouldn't  be funded,  so they                                                               
decided that  a task force would  be appropriate.  She  said they                                                               
looked  forward to  working  with  physical educators,  teachers,                                                               
physicians, and  members of  the legislature to  see what  can be                                                               
done to tackle  the obesity problem in children.   She added that                                                               
there is interest from the heart association and others.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
11:10:21 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GATTO commented  that things  are being  done--he                                                               
saw a television show focusing on obesity.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
11:11:30 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MCGUIRE  commented   that  the  Matanuska-Susitna                                                               
Borough  has voluntarily  introduced  nutritious  foods into  the                                                               
school menu with positive reviews.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
11:12:19 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON  said she  used to be  a school  nurse, and                                                               
she has  seen a  huge difference in  children's weights  over the                                                               
last 20 years.   The lifestyle has changed  from children running                                                               
around playing  ball to sitting  in front of the  television, she                                                               
added.    Doctors  are  now finding  high  blood  pressure,  high                                                               
cholesterol, and a large increase in diabetes in young kids.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
11:13:50 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LYNN said  vending machines  should have  healthy                                                               
food.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
11:14:34 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR NEUMAN said HB 128  asks representatives to volunteer to be                                                               
on the committee and he encouraged members to be involved.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
11:15:20 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARA  said  30  to 40  percent  of  the  nation's                                                               
children  are overweight,  and by  adulthood it  increases to  70                                                               
percent.  He suggested looking at  what other states are doing to                                                               
combat obesity, including mandating healthier food in schools.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
11:17:51 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  THOMAS  asked  if  an ad  hoc  committee  can  be                                                               
created before the bill moves since there is no fiscal note.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
11:18:31 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MCGUIRE  said  that   people  are  already  being                                                               
rounded up  as the  bill moves  through the  legislative process.                                                               
She said she thought a task  force would bring more publicity and                                                               
media attention  than an  ad hoc  committee.   A task  force also                                                               
adds some structure, she added.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
11:19:48 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON moved to report  HB 128, as amended, out of                                                               
committee  with individual  recommendations and  the accompanying                                                               
fiscal notes.  Hearing no objection, CS HB 128(EDU) was passed.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
^OVERVIEW: ALASKA  NATIVE K-12 EDUCATION  INDICATORS STUDY  BY AK                                                             
NATIVE POLICY CENTER                                                                                                          
11:20:43 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SARAH SCANLAN,  Director of  Education, First  Alaskans Institute                                                               
(FAI),   Anchorage, said  the mission  of FAI  is to  develop the                                                               
capacities  of Alaska's  Native  people, and  it  is involved  in                                                               
research with the Alaska Native  Policy Center.  Both groups hope                                                               
to see the research findings reflected in policy.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
11:21:41 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. SCANLAN  said she  and Greta Goto  are presenting  two recent                                                               
reports:  "Our  Choices-Our  Future"   and  "Alaska  Native  K-12                                                               
Education  Indicators,  2004".    The  reports  do  not  look  at                                                               
demographics,  health, education,  and  the  economy as  separate                                                               
entities, but they are intricately connected, she said.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
GRETA  GOTO, Director,  Alaska Native  Policy Center,  Anchorage,                                                               
said  "Our Choices-Our  Future" is  an  analysis of  30 years  of                                                               
information on  Alaska Native population, health,  economics, and                                                               
education.    The Alaska  Native  population  is growing,  it  is                                                               
young,  its life  expectancy has  increased, the  majority of  it                                                               
lives  in rural  and  remote Alaska,  it is  mobile,  and it  has                                                               
changing family  structures, she reported.   She said  there were                                                               
120,000 Natives in Alaska in 2000,  and the number is expected to                                                               
grow to 165,000 in 2020.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
11:24:48 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GATTO asked  how  that growth  compares with  the                                                               
rest of Alaska.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. GOTO said  Native birthrates are higher  and average lifespan                                                               
is increasing, so it is a faster increase.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE THOMAS asked for a definition of Native.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
11:26:27 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  GOTO said  anyone  who  is full  or  part  Alaska Native  or                                                               
American Indian  is included.   People self-select  and determine                                                               
their own race during a census.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. GOTO said  about 44 percent of Natives are  under 20 years of                                                               
age,  and  only  33  percent  of  non-Natives  are  in  that  age                                                               
category.   There is  a growing  elder population  among Natives.                                                               
She  added that  better  access to  medical  care increases  life                                                               
expectancy.    The  trend  of   living  arrangements  for  Native                                                               
children is  of more single parental  care, which is the  same in                                                               
the entire population.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SCANLAN noted  that this  data helps  the state  predict its                                                               
needs for elder care, education's  future requirements, and other                                                               
future needs.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
11:29:26 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. GOTO said in 1950 the  life expectancy for Alaska Natives was                                                               
46 years when other races had a  life expectancy of 68 years.  It                                                               
is now  over 70 years  for Alaska  Natives.  Native  children are                                                               
better immunized than other American  children.  Certain diseases                                                               
have been sharply reduced.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. GOTO reported  that infant mortality rates  in Alaska Natives                                                               
have  decreased tremendously,  but  there is  still a  disparity.                                                               
Obesity has increased more dramatically than other races.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR NEUMAN asked how health care and obesity correlate.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  GOTO thinks  it is  dietary.   Diabetes  has increased,  and                                                               
smoking rates are  higher than non-Natives.   She discussed Fetal                                                               
Alcohol Spectrum Disorder (FASD) rates.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
11:34:24 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA  asked if FASD  is a bigger problem  in rural                                                               
areas.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
11:35:14 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  GOTO  didn't know.    She  said  teens have  similar  health                                                               
issues;  there  are improvements  but  the  disparity with  other                                                               
races still  exists.  There is  a higher teen pregnancy  rate for                                                               
Natives.  She said student smoking  has gone down, but still more                                                               
Native students smoke than non-Native,  which might be due to the                                                               
higher number of adult smokers in the Native community.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GATTO asked if the smoking tax deters smoking.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. GOTO said, "It hasn't stopped my husband."                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SCANLAN  said the  tax  is  new and  she  hopes  it will  be                                                               
reflected in future data.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
11:37:13 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  GOTO said  marijuana  use  has gone  up,  and she  suggested                                                               
reading the report for more detail on drug and alcohol use.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR NEUMAN asked about inhalants.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
11:40:11 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WILSON  asked  about a  correlation  between  the                                                               
upswing in  marijuana use and  population increase,  because "you                                                               
might  do activities  that  you normally  wouldn't  do under  the                                                               
influence of alcohol and drugs."                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. GOTO said she didn't think there was a correlation.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GATTO  asked if the  use of marijuana would  go up                                                               
as the price of tobacco increases.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. GOTO said she compiles the data and presents it to people.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. SCANLAN explained that some  of the committee's questions are                                                               
issues that  the studies  have touched on  but were  not directly                                                               
analyzed.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GATTO  wants to know  the action plan  in response                                                               
to the data.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
11:43:30 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  GOTO  gave credit  to  others  for  helping make  this  data                                                               
available.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARA  asked  about  limited  curricula  in  rural                                                               
schools.   He  wonders if  there  is a  statewide requirement  to                                                               
learn about these issues in school.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. SCANLAN said  there is not, and that would  be very useful if                                                               
there were.   She added  that the  data reflect lower  numbers of                                                               
problems than reality.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
11:46:24 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARA asked  why  some of  these  things can't  be                                                               
taught without dedicated teachers and extra funds.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SCANLAN  stated  that  that  is  a  loaded  question.    She                                                               
explained  that  some  of  the government  programs  need  to  be                                                               
integrated, holistic, and with a community approach.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
11:49:23 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON  stated that as  a school nurse  she taught                                                               
drug  and alcohol  prevention in  every classroom.   This  was in                                                               
another state.  "We don't fund  things" in Alaska she said.  Most                                                               
schools don't even have a school nurse, she added.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
11:50:51 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. SCANLAN  stated that early childhood  education with parental                                                               
involvement is needed, and Alaska does not have such a program.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS.  GOTO noted  that  17  percent of  the  state's workforce  is                                                               
Alaska  Natives,  and  33  percent  of  unemployed  Alaskans  are                                                               
Natives.      Average   incomes  of   Natives   and   non-Natives                                                               
corresponds to  rates of poverty--20  percent for  Alaska Natives                                                               
and 7  percent for non-Natives.   The cost of food  and energy in                                                               
rural communities is much higher.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GATTO  asks  what  the  Power  Cost  Equalization                                                               
program does.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. GOTO  explained that  it subsidizes energy  costs.   She said                                                               
that Natives  own about 11 percent  of all the business  firms in                                                               
Alaska, generating about 5 percent of Alaska's business revenue.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  NEUMAN  stated  that high  unemployment  rates  of  Alaska                                                               
Natives shows  a need  for an outreach  program in  rural Alaska.                                                               
He  added  that  there  are  several bills  in  process  now  for                                                               
regional  learning  centers to  make  sure  there are  vocational                                                               
programs, "so we can put Alaskans to work."                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
11:56:47 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  GOTO said  Natives have  increased access  to education  but                                                               
there is an academic achievement  gap, and there are actions that                                                               
are  required to  close  that  gap.   The  percentage of  Natives                                                               
attending  college and  high school  have dramatically  increased                                                               
because there are more high schools in rural Alaska.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
11:59:03 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. GOTO  stated that  Alaska Natives  do place  a high  value on                                                               
education, but school performance is a concern.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
12:00:04 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  GOTO  said  the  report  also looked  at  the  ethnicity  of                                                               
educators, and there is little change.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON asked if that would soon change.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. SCANLAN said she hopes it  will, because Alaska has a program                                                               
to train indigenous teachers.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
12:02:33 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA asked which campuses teach education.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SCANLAN said  Sheldon  Jackson,  Alaska Pacific  University,                                                               
University of  Alaska-Southeast, University  of Alaska-Anchorage,                                                               
University of Alaska-Fairbanks, and distance delivery campuses.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. GOTO  said the turnover  rate of teachers  and administrators                                                               
is high in certain districts.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON asked if remoteness makes a difference.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. GOTO stated that it depends more on the school district.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. GOTO said  that Alaska Native performance  in benchmark exams                                                               
compares poorly with other students.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
12:06:37 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR NEUMAN  asked how the  No Child Left Behind  policy affects                                                               
Native students.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SALMON asked what is causing the problem.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. SCANLAN stated  that there are many, many  reasons.  Funding,                                                               
teacher turnover, lack of  curriculum, parental involvement, lack                                                               
of early  childhood education, teacher  professional development,                                                               
and  goals of  school boards  are  some.   There is  also a  huge                                                               
mobility issue of  kids hopping from school to  school, she said.                                                               
There  are  1,800  homeless  children  in  the  Anchorage  school                                                               
district, and one third are Native.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARA  stated that  problems  are  more a  measure                                                               
income level than ethnicity.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. GOTO stated that is  correct, looking at poverty levels there                                                               
is a correlation.   Dropout rates for Native  students are higher                                                               
than  other   students,  but  she   thinks  that  trend   may  be                                                               
decreasing.   High  school graduation  rates are  47 percent  for                                                               
Native students and 67 percent  for all other ethnicities.  "Less                                                               
than  half our  kids  who  start at  ninth  grade complete  [high                                                               
school]," she said.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WILSON   asked  what  the  expectations   are  of                                                               
families, noting that some families  want a subsistence lifestyle                                                               
where a high school degree might not be necessary.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
12:13:30 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. SCANLAN  said teens are telling  us that they do  not see the                                                               
relevance   in  what   they  are   being   taught.     Employment                                                               
opportunities  in remote  areas  don't relate  to  math and  rote                                                               
memorization, she added.  She said  students can see the value of                                                               
vocational training.  "How we value  education" is an issue.  She                                                               
added that resources  to identify children who need  help are not                                                               
available.  "Nailed on top of  that is the high school qualifying                                                               
exam," she said.   No Child Left Behind is  causing some students                                                               
to drop  out.  She  noted that there is  no silver bullet  and no                                                               
single answer.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR NEUMAN  stated that  the graduation rate  is striking.   He                                                               
asked where we are losing kids along the way.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WILSON  said  some   areas  have  no  Head  Start                                                               
programs.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
12:17:27 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. GOTO stated that she thought  100 out of over 200 communities                                                               
in rural Alaska had Head Start programs.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR NEUMAN said statistics show Head Start works.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS.  GOTO said  there  are  good programs  but  they don't  reach                                                               
everyone.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
12:18:48 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA  stated that  the legislature  should support                                                               
better funding for Head Start this year.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
12:19:32 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SCANLAN  noted that  there  will  be  a campaign  for  early                                                               
childhood literacy which  is very critical.   Challenges that she                                                               
has covered  today are not  specific to Alaska Natives.   Funding                                                               
is  a  key  issue,  and  she stressed  the  importance  of  early                                                               
childhood development.  She suggests  supporting teachers so they                                                               
can help as  many students as possible.  The  issues are huge and                                                               
complex, and she  requested the ability to  continue working with                                                               
lawmakers to solve them.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
12:22:52 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON stated that drinking was not mentioned.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  GOTO  responded  that  this   is  one  of  the  issues  that                                                               
communities wanted more information about.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SALMON   asked  about  districts   cutting  lunch                                                               
programs and what that effect might be.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
12:25:04 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. SCANLAN responded  that in Title 1 schools  there are federal                                                               
monies available for school lunch programs.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
12:25:57 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GATTO stated  that he is not aware  of any schools                                                               
that don't  provide lunch, and  some are offering breakfast.   He                                                               
said the state  does have early childhood education,  "we do have                                                               
kindergarten, we do feed them, we  do have classes for them, what                                                               
we  want them  to do  is to  arrive super  duper primed,  rested,                                                               
nourished, clothed  properly; the  trouble is we're  finding them                                                               
arriving...without snow pants and then  recess comes and they say                                                               
'I  don't   have  snow   pants.'"     Their  parents   have  that                                                               
responsibility, he  said.  If  they are  hungry, they go  see the                                                               
nurse for  snacks.  "I  don't know what  more the state  can do."                                                               
We have  x-amount of  dollars, and  every group  that we  meet is                                                               
saying if we  had more money we  could do better.   There isn't a                                                               
group that comes to us and  tells us we are over-funding them, he                                                               
declared.  He  said he is wishful that "we  could get the parents                                                               
involved, we need  some accountability to make them show  up.  We                                                               
have truancy  problems, but  how much  can the  schools do?"   He                                                               
asked if parents are less  involved in their children's education                                                               
and welfare.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
12:28:33 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. SCANLAN  stated that  it is  the opposite  and said  maybe he                                                               
should visit  schools in impoverished  districts.   Many families                                                               
are  doing  the best  that  they  can,  but they  themselves  are                                                               
homeless,  she said.   A  larger percentage  of families  do care                                                               
about their children's  education.  The numbers  of families with                                                               
problems is  a concern,  however, and  she said  that there  is a                                                               
huge draw  on education funds to  try to bring those  students up                                                               
to the  level of the  others.   She suggests bringing  all groups                                                               
together to work for  a common goal.  She held  up the United Way                                                               
as a  model.  We are  not moving away from  parental involvement,                                                               
she said, it  has to do with wellness in  communities and it must                                                               
begin at home.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
12:31:01 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARA  stated  that  he agrees  with  all  of  the                                                               
statements  on  early  childhood  education  and  asked  for  any                                                               
proposals  Ms. Scanlan's  group might  have.   He said  the state                                                               
made  a huge  mistake eliminating  the early  childhood education                                                               
program, and  any proposals  she has, he  encourages her  to come                                                               
and present them.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
12:32:34 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LYNN  commented  that the  best  early  childhood                                                               
education begins at childbirth with  parents.  "Kids don't belong                                                               
to the  school system, kids belong  to parents."  "I  support all                                                               
of  these things  but we  should never  take parents  out of  the                                                               
equation."                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
12:33:35 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON said there are  a lot of schools that don't                                                               
have lunches.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Special Committee on Education meeting was adjourned at 12:33PM.                                                              

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